Introduction
Welcome to the pages where I write mostly about family history.
For Winchurch history go to Winchurch family history
My Faces of history pages give more information about the origins and lives of my family.
Tour of Mont Blanc 2008 is an account of backpacking in the Alps with Elizabeth.
Elizabeth has an extensive blog, covering many aspects of our life in Cornwall plus a variety of other topics: Elizabeth Harper’s blog
I also have another blog site (predominately photos), which you can reach by clicking ‘John Winchurch – more’
Feel free to offer additions and comments.
John Winchurch
Cornwall, 2009
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Introduction
Welcome to the pages where I write mostly about family history.
For Winchurch history go to Winchurch family history
My Faces of history pages give more information about the origins and lives of my family.
Tour of Mont Blanc 2008 is an account of backpacking in the Alps with Elizabeth.
Elizabeth has an extensive blog, covering many aspects of our life in Cornwall plus a variety of other topics: Elizabeth Harper’s blog
I also have another blog site (predominately photos), which you can reach by clicking ‘John Winchurch – more’
Feel free to offer additions and comments.
John Winchurch
Cornwall, 2009
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I spent a few days in Benton, Illinois with my Aunt Elsie, last surviving child of Anna Winchurch Smith. She gave me some valuable information about the family.
Anna was one of twelve children. She could only remember the names of six, but she did say that Anna had at least one glassblower in the family.. She could not remember the names, but I am almost sure your grandfather was her brother. Glass blowers are not that common!
Most of the Winchurches lived in Woodsetton, near Dudley. She gave me these names: The youngest was named Maude. She married Richard Guest, who was also a glassblower, and they ran a grocery store in Swan Village, near Birmingham. They had one daughter names Gladys who moved to the White Cliffs of Dover when her husband died. She may still be living. Richard died young, a common problem with glassblowers.
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– Will and Ben were preachers who lived in Dudley. I scrawled the name Netherton next to theirs, but I cannot remember why. Maybe you can piece that together. They had children who may still be living there. One is a minister.
– There was a son named Edwin who ran a grocery store. in Roseville.. He married Gertrude.
– Clara married a man named Sam Hampton. She ran a clothing store in Swan Village. They had two kids named Helen and Jim. Sam and Jim were in the tobacco business.
– There was also a sister named Polly.
I would like to thank you for getting your WEB SITE running a lot better. I was born in Halifax, West Riding, Yorkshire, England. The year was 1947. I got your web site before, but could not get to you, for more information on the FAMILY, I would like to find out how? the name of Winchurch came about? If you can return my E-Mail, I will give you most of the information I have about my side of the FAMILY. I would like to thank you for the information you have, sorry, I should say your father, then you. I look forward to your return E-Mail.
Hi Eric
Thank you for your appreciation of the website.
I don’t know if you have found it yet, but there is a section about the Winchurch name and origins on http://jonvic42.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/family-history-under-construction-2742009/
I am slowly building up the information about the various branches and look forward to hearing more from you
Regards
John
Just read your E-Mail back to me, I will try to put all the dates, places, marriages, births,and deaths and where. I do know my side has some people in London area, or near London. If they have anyone a live now I do not know, but I will ask my dad, who still lives in Halifax. yours Eric.
Just looked at the top page, and it say’s Cornwall, is this the area you live in? Eric
Readed the part on the origins. To what I have read of the microfilm at the Morman church here in Bakersfield, CA, USA, it say’s Winsthurst, then Winchurst, but I will have to find the papers, because it go’s back to about 1200′s, and the names is abit smaller, and spelled different. Eric
Eric and James,
if you read this, get in touch again with John who can put you in touch with me.
Eric, I am pretty sure that you are from my branch of the Winchurch family, descended from George Winchurch and Fanny Brookes of Bilston, Staffs via their son John.
James, I think that there may be a connection here too but with the siblings of George from Bilston (the Woodsetton family). I have more information on that branch and evidence to support the connection, but not guaranteed as yet, but could put you in touch with someone else from that line.
John, can you give Shila Williamsmy E-Mail address, or can you give me her E-mail. Thank you Eric. P.s. I may be getting some where now!!!!! Can you look at your Web Site, your right side of the screen may adjustmet, where I am writing, the right side is covered by (Sitemeter)
Hello Eric
I have passed your email address on to Sheila Williams.
Best Wishes
John
Eric
Sheila and I have both tried to email using the ‘Yahoo’ account that you used to send the above comments, but both got error messages – ‘user does not have a Yahoo account’
Do you have another address, please ?
I am sorry but I put (-), should have been (_). Can you try again. Eric. John, I have permission from my dad to give you what information,photo’s, I have, so I will try to get all I can together, so I can send them to you. Eric.
Could James have put NETHERTON, next to the names of Will and Ben, that were preachers, could it have been for a church that they may have been serving, or may have been in Netherton. WEB SITE shows it about 1.5 miles south of Dudley. Eric.
Thanks to James Winchurch for re re establishing contact via email.
I am always interested to hear from anyone who has family history information of any sort.
John
Can you pass on my E-mail to James, just in case we can help each other out with information, then send on to you. Eric
Will do Eric
Regards
John
Hi All,
just a short note to introduce myself. My great-grandfather was Edwin James Winchurch and my Grandmother Lily Winchurch. I’ve just got an update from Sheila which I am going to look at with my Mother over the Easter Hols.
As an additional note, I also visited Benton Illinois in 1986 and stayed with Ben and Elsie for a few days.I have a few photos of them. Their daughter Susanne now lives in Florida and I have visited her also.
Kind regards
Andrew
Hi Andrew,
Welcome. I shall be interested to hear more about the Winchurch migration to America.
Many thanks to Sheila for the descendant report.
I am at present scratching my head about the various Winchursts making nails and anchors in Stepney in Tudor times. We might have helped to defeat the Spanish Armada !
Just checking your comment’s, to find that another (NAIL) in the family tree has been found so we can nail all the items together in the Family Tree House.
Hi All,
thanks for the welcome and I will try and be an active nail……
One goal when I started doing my family tree 2 years ago was to identify Thomas Winchurch. He was on HMS Neptune at the Battle of Trafalgar as a Marine. 70 Black country lads volunteered and sailed with the fleet. I have been down to kew and have copies of the ships log (he survived uninjured). I have not seen in any of the lists the correct Thomas Winchurch…..putting this nail in would be great.
Kind regards
Andrew
…finally, I accidentally met another Winchurch (Claire) in Sheffield last November. She is newly married to a Paul Winchurch whose Father came from the Black country. I am currently trying to get more info to link her into the chain. Any help with this would also be good.
Kind regards
Andrew
Hi Andrew
Is there any record of roughly when Thomas was born ?
Thomas Winchurch and Phebe (Jewkes) had a son Thomas, born in Dudley in 1765, which would make him 39 or 40 in 1805. Maybe a bit old to volunteer for the marines?
..or it might have been my 2G grandfather, Thomas, (b1787) who married for the first time in 1808.
Most likely, perhaps, Thomas b1782, second youngest son of William and Elizabeth (Guttridge) m1764.
William (b about 1733) was Thomas’s b1734 (who married Phebe) elder brother.
Hope that helps. There were lots of Thomas around that time “
Andrew
Just had a look on National Archives website but can’t find a Thomas Winchurch listed at Trafalgar, but Joseph Winchurch is. Was it definitely Thomas ?
Joseph Winchurch.
Ship: HMS Neptune
Rank/Rating: Private, Marine
Service details
Comments: From: Plymouth HQs
HMS Neptune
Ship’s pay book number: (ML 281)
30 July 1805
…yes, sorry, Joseph, I had a lot of trouble today from my oldest son (Thomas) and the brain was not in gear.
Is there a place where I can mail or send you photos for the collection?
Kind regards
Andrew
Joseph b1785 was the youngest son of William and Elizabeth (Guttridge) m1764.
William (b about 1733) was Thomas’s b1734 (who married Phebe) elder brother.
Most likely candidate
I have added more information about the connections between the Winchursts of Stourbridge and Stepney in London. I am finding the precise relationships in Tudor times hard to tabulate though !
Hello to all. Friday 2-Apr-2010, 7:00 am, here in Cal, USA. Good to read some more nails are been put on the family tree. I also have some photo’s and information to send, would like an address to send to. Still trying to put all the information together. Nice abit of history there, I have some newspaper clipings to with the information. Thank you all for what you are doing. Eirc
Sheila, has given me some information, and it is very good, I am the Eric she has on her paper work. I will be putting all the information I have, will be with dates, places, and if I can photos of the living and the one’s that have died.
I am back on the road driving an 18 Wheeler, (Semi-lorry), will try more to read the papers, and reply to you all.
Criminal record, Enoch Winchurch 1848
Just came across Enoch’s conviction for Larceny in the Stafford 1848 Assizes. He got 4 Months for this.
I’ve eMailed the photo to John…….
John
You have a question regarding the will of John Winchurst Naylor of Dudley 1700. His wife is named as Jane.
I have John the son of George Winchurst and Ann Bridgewater (m. Rowley Regis Oct 1639) John was born 1645 and married Ann Freeman at St Thomas in Dudley on 6th Oct 1667, I have no record of any other marriage for John, could it be that Ann’s middle name may have been Jane?
regards
Steve Winchurch
Hi Steve
Thanks for your comment.
I think the problem is there were at least two John Winchursts around at this time.
I have puzzled about the parentage of John (who left the will) for some time.
I don’t think he was the son of George and Ann. In fact, I think G & A moved to Abingdon.
If we jump forward to 3 January 1765, there is an agreement of which I have a copy:
Agreement 3rd Jan 1765 bet John Winchurst of Dudley. Nailor
eldest son and heir male of the body of Thos Winchurst
who was one of the sons of John W
who was eldest son and heir of Humphrey W ? of Dudley, nailor decd
So there was definitely a John, eldest son and heir of Humphrey ?
All of this is made more complicated by the movement taking place between Dudley and London (probably via the River Thames at Abingdon), so the mysterious Jane might have appeared there.
At the moment, I don’t have the answer, but am open to suggestions ?
I have now had the ‘Humphrey Winch alias Winchurst’ 1605 and 1606 documents translated by Simon Neal http://homepages.which.net/~les.neal/index.htm.
These confirm that George was a ‘kinsman’ (maybe cousin) of Humphrey.
That Humphrey’s wife was Isabel and that his three children, John, Isabel and Katherine were all minors in 1605.
It also provides further clues to the relationships between the ‘Tudor Winchursts’ in London, Abingdon and Stepney and the interchangability of the names Winst, Winch, Winsthurst, Winchurst etc.
Note that the family of Thomas Winchurch, my 2g grandfather is transcribed as ‘Minchurd’ at 3 Lord Street Birmingham in the 1851 census. I am in contact with ‘Find my Past’ but so far they refuse to accept the mistake.
Footnote. This has still not been corrected (Dec 2011)
I have pointed out to ‘Find my Past’ and Brightsolid, the parent company that Thomas Winchurch and family are documented as living at 3, Lord St in several places, including the family bible ! Also, that the name ‘Minchurd’ does not exist anywhere else.
To no avail.
Perhaps others may wish to challenge this entry. If nothing else they could have a cross reference system for questionable entries ?
John
are you the eric with the sidecar who used to take me home from the mill {crossleys carpets} my self and brian
Yes, Christine. Do you still live in Halifax? Was a scooter-combo.
Can you tell me about “Find my past”, is there a WEB SITE? Yours Eric
Hi Eric
Yes – http://www.findmypast.co.uk It is one of the family history record access sites. Another is Ancestry.com
Not sure if you have been on the newly released British Newspaper archive site. I have subscribed for a year so if anyone wants me to check an article let me know. There a lot about Winchurch the cyclist!
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Hi Andrew,
I haven’t been on the site yet, but intend to do so. I am guessing that it will be offered as part of a new package from Find my Past, since the owners, Brightsolid, are responsible for the scanning etc. Meanwhile, any further information on the cyclist – Benjamin Ernest Winchurch – would be gratefully received
Hi John, a quick scan last night showed me that he was extremely good, winning several races including a 24 hour one where he did over 400 Miles! More info to follow…..
Repost :
Note that the family of Thomas Winchurch, my 2g grandfather is transcribed as ‘Minchurd’ at 3 Lord Street Birmingham in the 1851 census. I am in contact with ‘Find my Past’ but so far they refuse to accept the mistake.
Footnote. This has still not been corrected (Dec 2011)
I have pointed out to ‘Find my Past’ and Brightsolid, the parent company that Thomas Winchurch and family are documented as living at 3, Lord St in several places, including the family bible ! Also, that the name ‘Minchurd’ does not exist anywhere else.
To no avail.
Perhaps others may wish to challenge this entry. If nothing else they could have a cross reference system for questionable entries ?
John
hi my name is peter winchurch just seen your page and you have got the same name as my uncle who died 3 years ago, my dad was Brian winchurch.. anyway hope you are ell xx
Do you know who now has FV Winchurch’s Birmingham Marriage Index from 1776 owards?
Do you know who now has the F V Winchurch’s Birmingham Marriage Index from 1776 onwards?
Hello Mary
I am not aware of a specific marriage index fitting that description. Do you mean a general Birmingham index or one listing Winchurch marriages ?